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Post by Jason "Curby" Roy on Apr 11, 2016 14:34:03 GMT -5
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ORIGINAL POST: Any of you cats jumping into the Virtual Reality world? Either for racing or just for other gaming?
I have a friend that lives across town and will head over there later this spring when his Oculous Rift comes in to try it out.
What I'd like to figure out is how much of a pain in the butt will it be to switch from triple screens to the OR and back again as far as vid cables etc. Could a guy realistically be able to have triple screens plugged in AND the Oculous Rift and easily flip back and forth on one vid card?
I may end up trying VR and puke everywhere - which will make my decision easier haha. I'm not good with being on water in a boat, looking down in a car as a passenger or even being a passenger at auto cross speeds...
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Post by John "Badoer" King on Apr 11, 2016 23:50:15 GMT -5
Any of you cats jumping into the Virtual Reality world? Either for racing or just for other gaming? I have a friend that lives across town and will head over there later this spring when his Oculous Rift comes in to try it out. What I'd like to figure out is how much of a pain in the butt will it be to switch from triple screens to the OR and back again as far as vid cables etc. Could a guy realistically be able to have triple screens plugged in AND the Oculous Rift and easily flip back and forth on one vid card? I may end up trying VR and puke everywhere - which will make my decision easier haha. I'm not good with being on water in a boat, looking down in a car as a passenger or even being a passenger at auto cross speeds... I'm really interested to try it - I haven't got the physical space for triples so it's a potential major plus for me, especially now that I have a PC and graphics card with enough grunt. So, will be interested to see how you get on with it.
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Post by Alex Sheridan on Apr 12, 2016 0:44:39 GMT -5
Im not too sure about it. Every video Ive seen with it looks super grainy and the motion kind of makes me feel ill.
Im still much more inclined to move up to triples but we'll see. Either way is going to be a pretty heft investment with a new graphics card required for both.
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Post by Joel Hafner on Apr 12, 2016 4:27:19 GMT -5
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Post by Christian Challiner on Apr 13, 2016 2:34:15 GMT -5
Jason I'm not 100% on how it works but I guess in theory you could have occulus hooked up via dvi and then 3 monitors via display port?
But I have similar concerns, I'd like to try it out but I think it will make me feel massively sick. That and the downside is that you're limited back to the original iracing readouts which means no ispeed, no iflag, no fanaleds, no external readouts, fumbling around for your shifter, buttons, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 3:07:44 GMT -5
it's an overestimated new hype which will disappear like 3d television... it's too expensive, it's too much compromise and you still have a 50% chance to get seasick... no thanks... I am really happy with three monitors and they give me the immersion that I expect, when it should look like sitting in a car... it's totally unnecessary to be able to turn my head around to look behind me or onto other spots in the car than outside the windshield and the side windows... three monitors are perfect for using the peripheral seeing and I really don't know why even to try anything else...
but I am speaking only about iRacing... may be for other kind of games it's a different story
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Post by Sven Cammaerts on Apr 13, 2016 3:42:55 GMT -5
Not for me most likely. I like the concept & should be a fun experience. Mattias Magnusson is using a DK2 atm instead of his triple screen setup and he enjoys it. Personnally I'm thinking I might get sick, I used to be prone to car sickness & sea sickness when i was a Kid. So unsure if this will suit me. A nice triple screen setup still sounds more appealing to me at this point.
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Post by Joel Hafner on Apr 13, 2016 7:18:28 GMT -5
it's an overestimated new hype which will disappear like 3d television... it's too expensive, it's too much compromise and you still have a 50% chance to get seasick... no thanks... I am really happy with three monitors and they give me the immersion that I expect, when it should look like sitting in a car... it's totally unnecessary to be able to turn my head around to look behind me or onto other spots in the car than outside the windshield and the side windows... three monitors are perfect for using the peripheral seeing and I really don't know why even to try anything else... but I am speaking only about iRacing... may be for other kind of games it's a different story Have you tried it? I haven't yet gotten the chance to, but still I disagree with you. 3D TV was bullshit, this is really not. The tech has come a long way since the first DK1 etc. The motion sickness is mostly up to the person who is experiencing it and up to the hardware it's being run at (if your PC is not powerful enough and you get lags/stutters, that fucks you up). I think it's here to stay and I can't wait to try it out sometime.
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Post by Tommy Vandergucht on Apr 15, 2016 4:11:35 GMT -5
I'm really interested in it, since I'm a bit in the same situation as John "Badoer" King and don't have the space to place triples. My main problem in racing is with tracks like COTA, or the busstop at Spa or hairpins, because you can't see the apex on a single screen which VR will solve. I also believe that the immersion must be a really cool experience. On the other hand I think it's still overpriced and it will come with many many bugs to start with since it's so new. I'm not racing much lately anyway (don't worry, I'll be back!!!) so I rather sit it out a bit and let it develop a bit more and let the price drop a bit. I'm sure once all the VR headsets come out and they start to sell the prices will drop.
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Post by Jason "Curby" Roy on Apr 15, 2016 7:04:00 GMT -5
I'm hoping my buddy in town gets his in the next month so I can try it out. I'd need a new cpu + graphics card if I was to do it today so it's def. more of a long term thing for me.
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Post by Mattias Magnusson on Apr 15, 2016 10:06:24 GMT -5
I've been using the DK2 for about a month and I won't go back to triples. In its current state it's not top notch for iRacing but when they update to sdk 1.3 it's gonna be just as good as vr in project cars, witch is mind blowing.
The immersion is amazing! Going in traffic and fighting other cars is so more fun and exciting. And just the feeling for the car completely changes, way more input for.you the just watching a screen. And watching races as spectator is really cool as well.
If you ever get the chance to try it out take it. Even GearVr is enough to get a feeling for VR.
Virtual Desktop is also a great application that will change the use of VR, YouTube for it and see for yourself. (Can't link it through my phone but search for "Virtual Desktop 1.0" Will be perfect for those who don't have mutch space.
At the moment I'm only using two of my triple screen setup for just desktop stuff, all gaming is with the dk2.
Big heads up is the resolution and SDE. As a 1 gen vr it's really good. Compare to my 3x27" 1440p monitor's, not so good. It's hard to read text and see far in the distance but all that changes in the cv1 but I can't really comment on that for sure. But i don't see any problem with that because the immersion is so good, but if you're really picky about high resolution and crystal clear graphics you it might be a problem.
And for the motion sickness. If you get motion sick easy, that's probably gonna be a problem with some games. But I think it's mostly in scenarios where the camera is moving without your control, like the helicopter camera view in iRacing. That really funked my head the first time I tried it... While driving and flying I never had any problem.
I'm waiting for my Cv1 that hopefully will arriving in a couple of weeks, but when I get it I would happily send my DK2 to anyone who wants to try it out!
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Post by Joel Hafner on Apr 15, 2016 10:26:24 GMT -5
I've been using the DK2 for about a month and I won't go back to triples. In its current state it's not top notch for iRacing but when they update to sdk 1.3 it's gonna be just as good as vr in project cars, witch is mind blowing. The immersion is amazing! Going in traffic and fighting other cars is so more fun and exciting. And just the feeling for the car completely changes, way more input for.you the just watching a screen. And watching races as spectator is really cool as well. If you ever get the chance to try it out take it. Even GearVr is enough to get a feeling for VR. Virtual Desktop is also a great application that will change the use of VR, YouTube for it and see for yourself. (Can't link it through my phone but search for "Virtual Desktop 1.0" Will be perfect for those who don't have mutch space. At the moment I'm only using two of my triple screen setup for just desktop stuff, all gaming is with the dk2. Big heads up is the resolution and SDE. As a 1 gen vr it's really good. Compare to my 3x27" 1440p monitor's, not so good. It's hard to read text and see far in the distance but all that changes in the cv1 but I can't really comment on that for sure. But i don't see any problem with that because the immersion is so good, but if you're really picky about high resolution and crystal clear graphics you it might be a problem. And for the motion sickness. If you get motion sick easy, that's probably gonna be a problem with some games. But I think it's mostly in scenarios where the camera is moving without your control, like the helicopter camera view in iRacing. That really funked my head the first time I tried it... While driving and flying I never had any problem. I'm waiting for my Cv1 that hopefully will arriving in a couple of weeks, but when I get it I would happily send my DK2 to anyone who wants to try it out! I'd love to try the DK2, that would be awesome What graphics card are you using to run it?
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Post by Mattias Magnusson on Apr 15, 2016 10:31:58 GMT -5
I have 2x980ti but atm the sli isting working in VR... They recommend 980 but i've heard people the been using 970's and even 960's without any problems
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 18:57:52 GMT -5
I believe Marc Torres is having one soon or may have it already. I'll get one too for myself when my now 4 year old boy graduates college...
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Post by Marc Torres on Apr 16, 2016 21:10:19 GMT -5
I had DK2 and my CV1 should be here in June (it was delayed 1 month). I can't compare to triples since I don't have them but I would say I have the closest thing to triples that a single screen user can have in terms of FOV. I project onto a 132" screen and I sit 5' from the screen so I'm able to use a very large FOV for a single screen. So much that I have to look left and right when entering sharp turns. The DK2 absolutely blows that away in terms of immersion.
I consider myself a resolution freak when it comes to viewing, so consider that in my review.
The resolution in DK2 is terrible...flat out. But 5 minutes into using DK2 on iRacing I knew I would never use anything else, especially for sim racing. Your brain literally shuts off a lot of the poor resolution and screen door effect. I think the people that wrote negative things probably just didn't give themselves enough time to adjust, either to the SDE, poor resolution, or motion sickness. I def experienced motion sickness after the first time, but I adjusted very quickly. And I think even if you get motion sick a lot, there's a good chance if you start small and increase time usage slowly you will be fine. The SDE disappeared mostly after a few laps but the resolution was def noticeable when trying to see distant objects, which sucks for sighting your turns early. It sounds like there has been a nice upgrade in resolution for CV1 so hopefully that won't be as much of an issue. It's obviously not going to be as nice as a monitor but I think it will be good enough.
Now onto immersion. I can't imagine a single person that would put on even the DK2 and not be blown away at the immersion. The DK2 was a raw product but when it was working right, even with it's shitty resolution and SDE you can't help but stare in awe at this new world you are in. The head tracking was so accurate (when working) that your brain just thinks you are in the world. Your reactions are different because you literally think you're in there. Your first time crashing in VR is something to be experienced. I literally put my hands put to protect my face before hitting the wall. For me, the more immersed I am, the better I am at racing and the more fun I'm having. The resolution and SDE effect are worse than monitors but the experience is still way better.
I ended up selling my DK2 in December because I figured selling it right before they announced pre-orders for the CV1 was my best chance to recoup some money...I ended selling it for $50 more than I bought it. I'm obviously very excited to get my CV1
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Post by Mattias Magnusson on Apr 17, 2016 3:23:49 GMT -5
I Think most of the bad reviews is from people that just hyped it up to much for them self, that happens all the time now days. They expect something that isn't even possible. Pretty a standard thing in games now days, i want it all and i want i now! The thing i'm most impressed in is that's this is the first generation VR and it still this good, just imagine in a couple of year then companies start developing components just for VR. Now they teamed up with phone company's just because they where the only one that could provide screens in that size and resolution. And see how phone screes have evolved these last couple of year
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Post by Sven Cammaerts on Apr 18, 2016 2:15:23 GMT -5
I Think most of the bad reviews is from people that just hyped it up to much for them self, that happens all the time now days. They expect something that isn't even possible. Pretty a standard thing in games now days, i want it all and i want i now! The thing i'm most impressed in is that's this is the first generation VR and it still this good, just imagine in a couple of year then companies start developing components just for VR. Now they teamed up with phone company's just because they where the only one that could provide screens in that size and resolution. And see how phone screes have evolved these last couple of year I'll have a pair of Bionic eye implants that streams iracing directly onto me retina!
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Post by Alessandro Longoni on Apr 22, 2016 7:00:30 GMT -5
I tried the DK2 at various events, the very first two times I got sick and had to take it off after a few minutes. The third time it was better.
After a while, I decided to try it at home, got myself a second hand one not to risk too much, took me a while to get it working, but once you do, it's pretty fun.
For 2 hours.
After that, i realised that: 1. Turning your head around 360 degrees serve no particular purpose but to have fun in the first 10 minutes you try it 2. The resolution is so bad, that driving in the RUF, I couldn't understand what color the car in front of me was, if there was a gap larger than 0.7s 3. Turning your head around to look in the mirrors serves no purpose because of points 1&2. 4. the field of view is narrow. you can turn your head around but peripheral vision is not an option 5. the fucking thing is massive and hangs off your nose.
I had good hopes, but I sold it 3 days later (and I made 80 euros profit!). I had high expectations because I don't have space for 3 screens, so I was hoping for an alternative.
Maybe the CV1 solves the resolution issues, but I can't see how the FOV will improve.
TL;DR > if you have space go for the 3 screens, probably costs even less
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Post by Marc Torres on Jun 1, 2016 11:27:36 GMT -5
My Oculus is arriving on Friday! Much earlier than I expected. I gotta get going on my PC build asap.
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