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Post by Travis "Zombie" Mihm on Oct 6, 2013 22:23:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 14:00:03 GMT -5
I'll keep quiet about it. Pretty good race I thought. Kimi was lucky, and Romain was a bit unlucky with making a mistake and that Kimi slipped past. Had the SC not come out it would've been interesting. Hulk was by far the most entertaining driver.
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Post by Travis "Zombie" Mihm on Oct 8, 2013 14:16:43 GMT -5
Yeah, Hulkenberg had a fantastic race. Grosjean had fantastic pace and just slipped up enough to let Kimi through and from there I think he just pushed the car too hard and went back to his old ways of just making little mistakes every lap that took enough off his pace to lose 2nd.
Raikkonen did a good job on those tires, though.
Di Resta just can't catch a break. The boys at Force India are just... (failure to find a proper adjective to describe them)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 14:55:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the link! Finally watched the race! That was by FAR the best race of the season......so much action going on everywhere. I LOVED the dog fight between hammy/alonso.....but along just couldnt make his inside/outside/under/over moves stick. And I thought for SURE hammy was going to be able to draft past, but the hulk had some of the best cockblocks the whole season......well played.
Di Resta.........I had high hopes for him all season but his driver error causing him to crash himself out is just.....not up to f1 standards smh.
And that massa spin on the first lap almost taking alonso out.......WTF! Would massa just retire already!?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 16:19:34 GMT -5
Yeah, Hulkenberg is so smart the entire race at turn 1/2. He slows just enough so noone can get a run on him and it makes it looks like the Sauber has great traction.
Yeah, the Massa incident was hilarious. 4 wide into that turn was just going to end badly lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 21:02:24 GMT -5
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Post by Travis "Zombie" Mihm on Oct 8, 2013 21:44:35 GMT -5
Holy shit...
Not typically one to believe the hype until factual evidence exists besides the huge margins of victory, but...
I noticed on the Singapore broadcast how Vettel was getting on the gas WAY earlier. Like a weird amount earlier in the corner the RPM would pick up. Holy shit.
I bet you everyone is doing it on some level though. Red Bull just perfected the art.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 7:18:58 GMT -5
I'll give mad credit to the engineers for pulling that off if it's within the rulebooks. But i'll have to lower my respect for vettal from god-like shumacher/senna levels down to human-like great driver levels.
I knew something was fishy when all the fans consistently boo him after every race lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 12:16:54 GMT -5
Yeah, well those rumours started when Mr Minardi said it after the Singapore GP. I havent seen any good explanation as to how it's done so I'll reserve judgement on this matter still. A lot has been said since the Singapore GP and Im still doubting this. It's obviously legal if it's done, but had there been more to this story you could be sure that the other top teams would be all over this. And while the RB-guys are smart, there is just no way in hell no other team have thought about it. Hell, even I thought about somebody using KERS to help traction when they decided on it (althou I have not much knowledge about F1-mechanics/electrics). So I think there had been protests and while, as you said Travis, that other teams probably are looking at it they'd still be protesting if they thought RB had an advantage because of it. Just look at the off-throttle blowing-saga.. Eventhou alot of the teams were using different mappings, it was obvious RB were using it the best and lost the most from changning it. So, yeah.. Im still not sure about this.
And the Ferrari fans, Hamilton-fan boys booing are just butt-hurt bitches mav:P
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Post by Travis "Zombie" Mihm on Oct 9, 2013 12:39:56 GMT -5
I love that the article on Jalopnik mentioned how crazy secretive it is, like only Redbull would know what they were doing.
... They have to pass tech. That means everyone in the F1 rule-enforcement/impound knows about it. That means the majority of anyone working in F1 race control and tech inspection knows about it.
They did bring up the whole 32 second advantage though... Looking at timing and scoring, Vettel ran a 1:42.8 in qualifying, barely a tenth faster than second place.
... But in the race... He got clean air, he got the motivation from being in the lead, the guys behind him were "kind of" fighting each other. But two seconds a lap for basically the duration of the race after the caution? I don't believe he's that talented. I believe he's incredibly talented, and it's entirely possible and maybe even probable that he's the most talented, quickest guy in F1 right now as a driver. But two seconds a lap in the same car Webber's in? I don't think I'm buying that.
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Post by Daniel B Johnson on Oct 9, 2013 13:47:41 GMT -5
The thing about Vettel's Qualy was that he sat the last half of Q3 when the track was the most rubbered in. When he pulled off he was I think like .8 faster than anyone. If he had burned a set of options he could have set pole quicker by probably .5 He was just toying with everyone in Q3 and it was quite obvious if you were watching, not so much if you just look at the results.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 14:46:22 GMT -5
Yeah, but that 2 seconds is also overly exagerated. Sure enough he was quick but it was only a handful of laps he managed to be that quick and Rosberg was leading the pack. And he was trying to save tires as they werent sure if they'd make it to the end or if it was beneficial to pit instead. So the gap was smaller than thought at first.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 14:56:02 GMT -5
Dont forget Vettel was also trying to save tires, as they showed his right front was actually unraveling towards the end of the race allllllllll while setting the fastest lap times throughout the entire race.....super sketchy yo.....its like Chris driving that cheater M3 all over again LOLOLOL
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 15:31:18 GMT -5
Yeah, youe correct mav, he was. But not to the extent needed for Rosberg. And wasnt Vettel on new tires after the SC, when Rosberg wasnt? Which means Rosberg had 20 laps old tires to preserve and Vettel had just one stint to go on new rubber. So hence no need to worry.
But furthermore, it is completely legal even if it is found to be there..
And it's probably the same thing Ferrari uses to get super tight launches each and every race.
To bad we've had so little bad weather, mixed conditions this year or it would be very easy to spot the huge margin that would be there.
Also, they might've found something.. And I guess they wont ever give anything more than diffuse answers to send the opposition chasing some secret weapon that will give them 2 seconds a lap. They did quite a good job tricking the other teams with the "flexi-wing" thing..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 16:16:01 GMT -5
Oh yea I agree that if everything is within the rulebooks then it's fine (Just for this season though, next season that sh!t would have to be banned). It just sucks that you cant see a drivers true talent because he's in a car thats faster than everyone elses. And it makes a boring race for the spectators......no one wants to see the lead car lead every single lap at a pace thats 2 seconds faster than the next car >.<
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 16:29:56 GMT -5
Well, F1 isnt a drivers championship. Or it wasn't why it was started. Sure the driver has a big meaning but I for one think it's quite incredible that a team can be soo dominant in suck a tightly regulated championship as this.
But yeah, I agree that IF it is ther, it should be banned for next season. Problem is.. What has been learned can't be un-learned.
Edit; also just re-checked how the race unfolded and while Vettel is quick in the race, he first drove away from Rosberg (on old rubber and front wing problems) and then Vettel pitted for fresh softs and drove away from Alonso.. Who had used mediums on his car. And he wasnt 2 seconds a lap quicker than Alonso. He was quicker, yes, but it was also the right circumstances. Alonso got by Rosberg but was already behind Vettel by that time so really had no chance at all.
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Post by Travis "Zombie" Mihm on Oct 9, 2013 16:52:56 GMT -5
Good job, Red Bull. You found a legal way to outperform your rivals, and that is great on an engineering and technological level. I personally just want to see closer racing. So next year it's either outside of the rules, or specifically defined and allowed in the rules. Not because I hate Red Bull, cause I don't. I actually effing love that paint scheme, and I love that Red Bull Racing are into all sorts of motorsport, or at least a sponsor for a big-time team. I'm just not a fan of a car winning by 32 second gaps in the pinnacle of open wheel racing lol. It's not Red Bull's fault they're good at what they do. I don't think anyone really has that stance, and if they do they're most likely mentally challenged or ignorant or have their head so far up their ass we didn't hear them right. It's just something F1 will have to change next year.
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Post by Daniel B Johnson on Oct 9, 2013 18:12:30 GMT -5
One question, why doesn't Webber have this same system? Personally it reminds me of the early 90's (92 maybe) with the Williams with the active suspension.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2013 18:39:17 GMT -5
Because Webbo always have a failing KERS lol. But still, IF there is such a system, ( Im under the impression it started with Minardi saying something about it, then a few of the forums started going wild with speculation and then some sites catching on, creating a thing that might not be there at all) then there is a possibility that Webber dont get it because they want Vettel to shine (RB-haters favourite thing to say) or that since he is often in traffic, causing KERS to overheat. I cant see any other logical explanation. Because if Webber doesnt have it and still can challenge Vettel, Vettel must be complete shit.
And just to be reasonable, this whole thing is being blown way out of proportion because the singapore gp. It wasnt anything like that in the last race. Sure RB was quick but not to a point where it was ridiculous. And had no SC come out, grosjean (yeah, grosjean!!!!) might have challenged Vettel.
But yeah, of course it's more fun if the top cars are close together but what we must remind ourself off is that it is rare that that's the case. F1 is a sport for constructors to showcase brilliance and then there is the drivers. To see the best racers, look at motorcycles:P
Personally, I like the toro rosso livery better thou. The overall darker tone, awesome artwork and gold instead of yellow is awesome.
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Post by Daniel B Johnson on Oct 9, 2013 20:02:09 GMT -5
I'm with you on the Toro Rosso livery. Also I don't think you can be picky with the TV money at stake in the constructors championship. The only thing I can think of is it is something that they literally just added at sinagpore.
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